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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:38
Originally posted by CarlT on 10.10.05

Hi

I was sideswiped today by an old lady that didn't see me coming. I was basically T-boned and pushed in front of the car until it stopped and I fell over... I'm fine but the bike gave its life to save me. I didn't even get a scratch. The police and ambulance where called to the seen, which is mandatory in Norway when there is a bike involved, and they where very impressed on how well the C1 handled itself. So impressed they didn't even notice I wasn't wearing the mandatory helmet I guess....

After 23 years of motorcycle riding I'm sure glad I was riding a C1 when I had my first accident!

I'll be looking for another C1.

regards
Carl

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:38
Originally posted by Spideruk on 29/7/04

Last friday '23/07/04' i was hedding to work i got halfway across the roundabout when this landrover decided to pull out on me, he clipped my nose which spun me into the side of the landrover, not to sure wot happend next but i ended up on my side sliding across the road till the curb stoped me.
my head 'did not' touch anything and im pleased to say i walked away with only a fractured thumb and various cuts n bruises.

my poor C1 is a rite mess but she did her job and saved my life
if i had been on any other bike i dont think i would be around any longer.....

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:38
Originally posted by Chipmunk on 8/6/04

So there I was, listening to Terry Wogan, slowly passing the usual virutally stationary line of traffic, on my way to work. The man driving the taxi decided to pull out to the right, and neither look or signal. That two second window - slow motion - amazing how many words you can think in two seconds.

"I wonder how old Wogan is - Air Con would be good on a C1  - Oh dear -  He's pulling out, he hasn't seen me, non ABS brakes on but I'm alongside now, go for the horn - not enough time, swerve? - not enough ti.... CRUNCH - enter a front wing and bumper, knees in, arms folded - over we go, hello tarmac - the number of people who just throw chewing gum on to the road!"

Not hurt - pull red lever, press red button, The crowd - two witnesses came forward - "I saw everything mate" "I've called an ambulance" Are you alright? - why do people not believe you? - you shouldn't be alright! They helped me up with the bike and everyone went merrily on thier way, a tale for the coffee brake (non ABS) Big thanks to the witnesses - they're going to get a card (when I know they support my side - been there before!)

C1 did it's job admirably again and I've got a new storage compartment by the side of the seat-belt clip.

So - the damage - usual fractured dignity and lacerated pride, - mirror broke up, rear/center side panel split into 2, seat belt clip mangled - very surprised at the amount of distortion but it held in the impact and released with the red lever. Left bumper pressed in but not broken, as it was more of a lunge over the front wing & bonnet rather than a slide. (should have seen the other fellow! - front wing and bonnet badly dented, bumper completely detached.)

neeno - neeno - they're here. Plod didn't wanna know - fair enough - I was wearing a lightweight lid (head never touched anything incidentally). Josh and Nicky asked me to sign a I-don't-want-to-go-to-A&E form. - Kind ladies from the dry cleaners made me a coffee and we waited for the RAC to recover.

Off to the insurers on Tuesday, this time if they write it off I'll buy it back - looks an easy fix.

Oh - and can someone turn that F****g Wogan off. - he's going on and on - about cabbies!

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:37
Originally posted by James S on 10/12/03

Coming in down Mile End Road today I was happily filtering through all the traffic (popping between a stationary bus and a Renault Scenic).  Just got past the bus when the Scenic decided that it wanted to be in the small stretch of open road that I was now in ... and so moved into it.

As this is London people generally ignore the "mirror" and "signal" part of "mirror, signal, manoeuvre" and so he drove into the (right-hand) side of me.

Kept it upright (just) and managed to bring the bike to a stop on the side of the road.  The guy pulled over in front of me and was really apologetic - totally admitted responsibility.  I had a look at the damage to the bike and it was simply a knocked off side-protector - didn't even damage the bodywork.  I therefore told the guy not to worry, as I was absolutely fine, and gave him a stern warning that if I was on any other bike then he would have hit me, and not a piece of plastic coated polystyrene!

He gave me his address and I have his registration so we agreed that I will send him the bill for the new side-protector.  I said that I would get BMW to look at the bike when it goes in for the next service to see if there was any other damage (but from looking at it there really isn't any - collision wasn't hard enough) and will let him know if there is anything extra to pay.

Very happy with the bike - everything did as it should.  Now just need to order another protector.
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James FF125 Silver/Red - yellow seat - 3800 miles
Today, I will be mostly wearing - a lid! (2 cold!)

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:36
Posted by p.hodgson on 19.10.03

Riding home the other day I was in the fast lane when a car decided he wanted my lane. I was doing about 45mph and the car crashed in to me. I had no time to look or swerve so I braked in a straight line (wet road) and hit the car on the drivers side door. Well I thought I would be on my side, but I just kept going. The car had a dent on the door, my bike an inch long scuff by the front indicator. When we exchaged details I was ok, but the car driver was shaken up! Great bike! If it was a normal bike, would that have been my knee?
peter

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:35
Posted by AlanDub

On Friday, Someone came out in front of me & we collided.

This is the second time since I bought the damn thing.

The annoying thing is that I was just riding along & I am sure that if i was really concentrating on accident prevention, I could have anticipated her mistake.

It looks like 2 side panels need to be replaced - bloody waste of money (hers).

Alan

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:34
Posted by High Speed Carl:

Morning everyone.

Yesterday morning on the Commercial Road someone decided to cut across in front of both a lorry and little old me taking me out. Fortunately, the C1 safety features of seat belts, ABS and side protection limited my injuries to pulled muscules in my back and neck. No leg injuries (sincere thanks to the C1er who told me to keep my legs inside the vehicle in the event of a topple), no hand injuries (kept my hands on the brake levers).

The C1 now only has one side impact module and some scratches along the front section. The rear section is pretty much as new.

I did ask the driver of the car if he had not seen me (I ride with my light on ALL the time) but he said (wait for it) 'his phone ran, he didn't look, he was cutting across to save a bit of time'.

C1Jockey was fortunately following behind on his red charger and not only stopped but followed the driver to check that he was not just going to drive off. He also offered to be a witness (as did the lorry driver who was also cut up).

So, big thank you to C1Jockey for his time and concern shown.

Me, I'm off to consider how to make the C1 EVEN more visible. Perhaps a set of blue flashing lights and a siren. Seems to work for others on the road.

Safe riding. Take extra care in bus lanes.

High_Speed_Carl
FF 125 (with only one side impact module)

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Topic Accidents involving reported neck injuries By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:33
Originally posted by Noddydog on 9.10.05

OK I caught up with him yesterday. It's the old classic of a car unexpectedly doing a U turn in front of him. He hit the car and his C1 instantly went over and travelled down the road for some distance. At no time did his head hit the ground. A policeman close by insisted he went to hospital for a check up. No broken bones or cuts just a 'very' sore neck. He wore a neck collar for two days and then the pain started to subside. His bike is now being repaired at an estimated cost of £1000. He feels that the whole thing would have been much worse if he was not on/in his C1. Now the big question, was he wearing a helmet? Yes, a light one.

I think he may also give more details himself if he gets the chance in the coming days.

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Topic Accidents involving reported neck injuries By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:32
Originally posted by TahiTaneWaka on 20.8.05:

Crash report: 2004 C1-200 (2,400k, 10 months since first registration)  Auckland, New Zealand (where BMW did import about 40-50 C1s)

Driver was following a bus in heavy traffic at 40 k. Bus veered rapidly and unexpectedly to left, apparently to avoid hitting a Subaru wagon making a right turn (probably a last minute decision, which would explain the bus driver's sudden movement). C1 driver following (age 60, in fit condition and an Italian driving style) reported he had a choice, jam on the brakes or turn to left to evade. Almost made it, the shoulder protector caught the rear of the wagon, shattering the rear window of the wagon and making a mess of the Subaru pillar (and when the c1 stopped, astonishing the Subaru driver who had no clue what the batman bike was that hit it).  The C1 bounced off, did a series of dramatic spins damaging almost every panel, including the roof glass which popped out but did not break.   Finally came to a halt on the side of the road.  The driver, wearing a ski helmet, assessed himself.  Determined he was not dusty (no injuries or damage to clothing [correction... on inquiring as to why we found feathers in the C1, we were advised by the driver that his down parka did tear, but he confirmed that he sustained no injuries and did not get dusty]).  Attempted to undo the seatbelts using the red handle, but it was not operative.  Released both seatbelts manually, stood up and wheeled C1 to side of road, parked it, called BMW to arrange a pick up and took a cab home.

Bike was written off by BMW who advised the insurance the frame was bent. It appears they did very little investigating, but simply noted that the cost of obvious parts and labour exceeded the price of a new replacement C1-200, insurance company agreed and paid.  The legal owner of the C1 (a charitable trust) retained ownership of the C1 for $500 (£175).  Disassembly shows the frame appears OK, but the shoulder protector is broken in both top and bottom mounts, which appears to be the only structural damage. In-so-far as this is a bolt on part, even if it cannot be welded, it does not affect structural integrity.  It appears BMW used a different type of metal in this area so that it would fracture, rather than transmit further stress to the frame, making it a sacrificial structural element. The handlebar (throttle side) rubber missing rubber and some peculiarities in steering to be investigated (turning right seems to stop prematurely, and appears to be something related to the steering lock, must remove faring to assess)

The fibreglass painted panels and black plastic panels have considerable minor damage, scrapes, road-rash, cracks at points of impact and broken tabs where screws hold panels in place. In the absence of cheap replacement parts, the panels are easily repaired and repainted; however given the number of C1's being broken in the EU and BMW seeming to be flushing out its parts system, it may be less expensive to replace the parts and store the damaged ones for future crashes.  If one wishes to drive with visible scrapes, little work would be required, only replacing the crash elements (tits), which survived, but the underlying foam was destroyed, the mountings bent and on the road-rash side, the fibreglass ground down about 2-8 mm.  Considering having solid rubber replacements manufactured at a local rubber manufacturing company as C1 reports suggest the plastic tits are excessively priced and too easily damaged. (When back in August 2000, BMW headquarters in Munich provided our charitable trust with a 48 hour loaner in London to assess the potential of the C1 to relieve congestion in Auckland, one of the crash elements popped off when too close to a wall.  We advised them then to look at an upgrade)

Conclusion: Had driver been on a normal scooter (and assuming it would have still struck car) the spin would have thrown the driver into the bike or off the bike at 40 kph onto the road. At a minimum moderate injury to skin and bones, with the potential of severe injury or even death.  Savings to Accident Compensation Commission estimated in the thousands or ten thousands of dollars.  Savings to driver: Pain and suffering.  C1 did its job.

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Topic Accidents involving reported neck injuries By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:30
Originally posted by in_not_on on 3.9.04

Last week on the Wandsworth Road SW8 I was travelling eastwards towards the MI5 building when a car ahead of me indicated to turn left about 70 yards from a side road, so as you do, you check your mirrors and overtake, but the only problem was as I went to check my mirrors a lady driver saw the car in front was indicating and decided to pull across the road straight in front of me...... Smack, bang and......bounce.
Before I knew it I was lying on my side and thinking that I should have stopped for a Mc D's breakfast.
All the cars around me ground to a halt and the road became very silent, at this point I was stuck fast and struggled to pull the trusty red leaver, which eventually released me. As I appeared from beyond, I looked at all of the rubber neckers around me and oh my god, if only I had camera.
The bike had certainly done the job and I didn't have a single...anything not a scratch.
That was until later that afternoon, and then the whiplash (Lidded) and sprained wrist came into effect. Then about 2 days later my back began to give problems.
As for the bike! Not too bad, all cosmetic but about ₤800 of parts, but still rides.
The Driver admitted all responsibility but only after 3 days

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:28
Originally posted by franck74neortic on 4.3.04

It saved my guts once more!
A pick up truck came out of a Garden Centre in Feltham this morning. The driver didn't see me. I was riding 5 mph below the national speed limit. I hit the brakes, locked the rear wheel, released the brakes, tried to swerve, not enough though as the driver carried on forward.... then you guessed what followed. 4 impacts:
1- the front left fairing (where the label is)
2- shoulder bar
3- I then fell on my left
4- The pavement across the road that brought me and the C1 to a halt.

I spare you with how I felt at this particular time, shaken and all that. I'm not harmed, I tucked myself in and just noticed a general stiffness and a bruised hip an hour later. nothing serious. I was very lucky to have a colleague driving a couple of cars behind, plenty of witnesses who happily gave him their details, and helpful Police officers......... who, by the way, didn't question me about the absence of Crash Helmet.

So, am I the only one here to have had the experience of two accidents; the first one with a lid : 15 mph impact, sore neck
and the second one:  WITHOUT...... The impact must have occurred at somewhere between 30 and 35 mph. My head is fine
I repeat FINE, the design worked and served its purpose. I can't help myself and must end this post by a quick message to all the people with uniforms or not who are refusing to listen and understand: PLEASE - DO - CHANGE - YOUR - MIND.

Best Regards

Franck

PS: the bike is a write off by the way!
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Franck

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:26
Posted by safetyfirst on 15.10.03

I was driving home last night and going through a set of green lights when a car pulled across me from the right.The car came through a red light.
I had about 2 seconds to react and went into the rear side of the car.I must have been doing around 20 to 30 mph at the time and the driver was probably doing about the same.
After a full frontal impact my C1 was lying on its side in the middle of a very busy road junction in London.
Miraculously I have escaped with a few bumps and scratches.My C1 with the same although there is oil coming from the front suspension.

The car driver didn't even ask if i was ok and denied going through the red light!

I have little doubt that if I was on a regular moped or motorbike I would have sustained severe if not fatal injuries.

The doctor was as amazed as I was!

If there was ever proof that our rather odd shaped  and expensive machine was worth its weight in gold,I am living proof of that.

THANK YOU BMW FOR MAKING SUCH A FANTASTIC MACHINE

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:25
Posted originally by vmjolt on 30.9.03

I was travelling up a main coast road on my way to work as i did everyday - i had just left a set of traffic lights and i seen the van at a the junction coming onto my road (it was a big white transit van surprisingly) but didn't think anything of it and he just pulled out as i approached the junction - i knew i couldn't stop in time and i knew if i swerved i would just cause more trouble so i just braked as much as i could and went into the side of it - my C1 richoched <sp> off the van and went scrapping along the road for a bit - when it stopped i just unclipped and stepped out - i want fine at the time but later realised that i had actually fractured my coxix - my bike was a bit of a mess with around £3500 worth of damage (if BMW had quoted properly it would have been written off) and i never did find my glasses. 
I phoned the police but they didn't seem to want to come out so i moved my C1 off the road and got it picked up by roadside recovery - luckily the white van man admitted all liability just claiming not to have seen me at all.  There was also a small other crash on the other road as someone was looking at my crashed bike and banged into the guy in front of them   - people must not see many C1s on their back.  I had never had a helmet at this stage for about 6 months but i did later have to buy one after a policeman said he was going to stop me twice a day and if i kept doing it he would conviscate my C1 (something which i dont think he can do now)

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:21
Posted by Sophie

I had what could have been quite a serious accident on any other bike - riding along residential road at 30, someone pulled out right in front of me without looking (why do they do that?). The C1 did exactly what it was supposed to - luckily wasn't wearing a helmet, damage to the front bumper and side crash element, small chips on paintwork, one very surprised self cocooned in my protective cocoon, large dent in the mans car.

About 8 passers by rushed to the scene to help me right it.

Spent next few days contemplating my own mortality, but nothing worse than a few aching muscles to show for it. Certainly no head injuries

Sophie

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 20:20
This was posted by Mickgairuk in February 2002 on the Yahoo site:

I've been commuting every day into Docklands on a Honda Pantheon for 18 months, with a wife and a kid I decide the odds were against me on having an accident. So I bough a ex promotional C1-125. On my first commute a w***ker without looking, indicating, or making any sign, U-turned from stationary position right in front of me. I smashed into his rear wing at about 30mph. The bike stopped dead and toppled over. I felt my helmet brush the windscreen on the impact. After releasing what had happened I pulled the seatbelt release and stood up, feeling shaky and busied. When I rode the original scooter I always wore the full safety kit, on the C1 I was wearing shoes, suite trousers, a puffer jacket and a helmet. Kindly the driver of the car didn't drive away but did give me his name and address and phone number. At this point the police arrived with an ambulance and I was carted off to hospital for checks. It was hard work convincing the doctors and nurses that I couldn't have any head injuries, as I didn't leave the bike due to being strapped in. After giving a statement to the police in the hospital they gave me copy of the other party's name and address. Later in the day I noticed that the name and address given at the time of the accident differed from details given to the police, draw your own conclusions, but I've yet to get any insurance details.

Since then the bike's been written off because the frame was damaged. From the initial reaction of the medical staff on being told that it was a motorbike accident, I think my injuries would have been many fold more serious on any other bike. So I consider myself extremely lucky I was riding the C1 that morning instead of my Honda Pantheon. The helmet proved to be pointless probably only adding mass and causing more bruising on my ribs where the straps held me.

The really good news is that the guys at BMW South London, who originally sold me the C1 and BMW have offered to sell me a brand new C1-200 Family Friend at an extremely amazing discounted price, which I pick up next Saturday.

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Topic A variety of slides reported speeds 20-40 mph By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 18:18
Originally posted by Justin on 17.2.05

managed to slide my C1 on ice at the end of January.
Crested a hill to be greeted by 200 yards of ice. As there was a gentle left hand bend the bike slid from under me. Had probably got up to 40-45 mph so had a very long slide down the road with masses of sparks from handle bars, brake lever and left crash nipple.
All left hand panels scratched. Broken the windkit (bummer). Badly scraped my jacket and trousers would definitely have lost skin without them.
Quote for repairs 2000 Euro but all damage pretty much cosmetic.
My only problem was trying to release the belts.
Did mean I took the bike for it's service only to have the exhaust valve burn out 3 days later.

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Topic A variety of slides reported speeds 20-40 mph By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 18:17
Originally posted by Flash on 1.10.04

While leaning in on a large roundabout at about 20mph, the tyres just slipped from under me!  The bike went over onto the right hand side and slid to a halt after 10 meters.  The bike was perfectly ridable afterwards, with the right side bumper broken off also cracking the attched panel.  A few minor scrapes to the front wing.  I walked away from the accident with no bony injury.  I stupidly (or not?) was not wearing gloves nor protective trousers, so sustained a full thickness skin loss to my right knee (no graft needed) and a superficial graze to my right palm.  The biggest inconvenience is that my wife wants me to get rid of the bike (we're expecting our first baby in 5 weeks).  I checked the road afterwards - dry, no oil/diesel/gravel.  Plenty of tread in the tyres.  Was it my exuberant technique or crap tyres (sorry not sure what the bike's wearing)?

I would (as an Orthopaedic surgeon) recommend anyone riding a C1 to wear full protective clothing as if riding a big bike (jacket & trousers with armour, biking gloves and proper boots) and that includes a full face helmet!

Any tyre recommendation please!

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Topic A variety of slides reported speeds 20-40 mph By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 18:16
Originally posted by elmstones on 3.4.04. No helmet and 40 mph.

Just got home, came off C1 200 after straightening up following a bend, bike just went from under me slid around just missed oncoming cars got a close view of wheels.  Need new coat and shoe left elbow hurts (no pads!) rest of me okay I think. Head okay, fleece hat not even touched. I am thinking if I was on a scooter, ouch, and possibly double ouch of going across under oncoming cars. Its been a bad day see earlier post in chat forum! (which makes me paranoid about this one!)

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Topic A variety of slides reported speeds 20-40 mph By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 18:14
Originally posted by chipmunk on 28.10.03

This one feels like real-could-have-been. Travelling down the M66 this afternoon 13:35, road slightly damp but not even drizzling rain-wise. Approached the slip road at J2 - a down hill deceleration road, about 150m long with two lanes, traffic light controlled on to a typical motorway traffic island. Slowing down on the engine from 55mph, dead straight, both brakes on gently with lot's of room to slow down - reached around the 30 mph mark, 
THEN. it went from under me - felt like the back wheel first and down we went, on to the right side. Quick, no idea what it was - right knee hit the road but padded overtrousers prevented damage.
Not exactly life going before me but I recall my thoughts and actions as "everything inside the shell, arms & knees in, head back into head rest. Very aware of the seat belts holding me in - felt kinda safe and ?cosy?   I felt the bumper break away and could hear the aluminium loop scraping on the ground. I could see the plastic curling up from the front panel - like a butter curling knife. I could feel myself slowing down and kept thinking "Hang on in there - I'm going to be OK - this machine is designed exactly for this!" (very vivid that bit!)
Stopped just short of the crash barrier - Could see the road behind me through the roof! Killed the engine, released the belts by which time a crowd had gathered - thanks guys - never got chance. I climbed out and found myself OK - numb - stunned - sick but OK. Offers of an ambulance were declined - I really was OK!. We lifted the bike and wheeled it into the edge of the road - hazards on, and a quick look round to gather the bits off the road. Once I remembered the engine kill she fired up fine, I got back on and very timidly rode to work. Got to the office and then the shaking, nausea, set in. Took it steady for the rest of the day and hobbled home.

Damage to me, slightly stiff right shoulder, severe lacerations to the dignity and multiple fractures to the pride. Still numb and a tad tearfull.

The Bike - pics to follow. Right bumper smashed (replaced last week - wasn't going to bother) and it's panel badly cracked - u/s. Right shoulder hoop - superficial scratches but doesn't seem to be distorted, Exhaust shield torn - possible damage to the exhaust - too dark to tell. Front right panel - badly scraped in the two usual contact points  - vent grill came off (recovered from the road) - right mirror glass broken housing scuffed - a few scuffs to the sills. Right brake lever bent upwards slightly. All mechanics etc seem OK - running fine. I'm now hypersensitive about the handling but it got me home in moderate rain. with no more problems.

What next? - see how my bit's feel in the morning. I'm fully comp with a £175 excess and three years no claims to preserve - my first thoughts are to see what I can repair myself - bike was lived in with usual battle scars before the accident. Might post on the Wanted topic when the shock subsides a bit. - Any insurance experiences?

For info - wearing padded overtrousers, Biker Gloves, Belstaff Jacket, open faced lid - no contact with road other than right knee on initial impact. speed at time of impact 25-30 mph dead straight decelerating with both brakes lightly on. - Bridgestone hoops, new 400 miles ago, Brake pads both new 200 miles ago. I don't know what it was - felt like the back end went - Honestly don't think it was anything I did or didn't do. One of the guys who stopped said It just went over - no explanation.

Thanks for reading this - feeling a bit better already.

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Topic A variety of slides reported speeds 20-40 mph By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 18:13
Posted by Gwyn Harris on 15.7.03:

A classic bike accident for me today. My previous 2 on a C1 have both had a large element my own fault about them, but today's was a bolt from the blue "nothing to do with me guv".

Going straight across a large dual carriageway roundabout today, travelling with the stream of traffic at about 20-30 mph with good distances in front and behind I smelled diesel for about a 10th of a second before my wheels hit a huge patch of the stuff. For my level of skill when banking this is a zero survivability situation and down I went.

I've cultivated the habit of sticking my feet into the footwells and they were completely unscathed. My unhelmeted head was untouched. My elbow, which I didn't have the nous to pull out of the way (my hands stayed on the bars throughout) hit the road with considerable force and scraped briefly along. Fortunately I was wearing a BMW Airflow II jacket about which I say without reserve BUY ONE NOW as they're cool enough to wear comfortably in weather like this and my elbow was protected by the armour and is absolutely unscathed. Even the jacket only has slight discolouring with no tearing of the material. I was uninjured and not even shocked or shaken. I had a very similar accident on a Yamaha DT125 a few years ago wearing a helmet, bike jacket, heavy jeans, boots and gloves and was very badly shaken up with bruising to hip, thigh and arm. No comparison.

Bike damage: crash element and adjacent panel destroyed. Mirror smashed plus rear of mirror housing popped off and was easily put back on. Front side panel and sill panel scraped. Dash pushed out of place. R side bin thing popped out as did the air vent cover. Right brake leaver bent but usable. Nil else of note. No pictures as yet.

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Topic A variety of slides reported speeds 20-40 mph By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 18:12
This is an edited version of two posts from the Yahoo C1 site:

And now for my next trick.

I managed to hit a pothole turning right this am while accelerating, bounced the front wheel a couple of times before crashing onto my right side and sliding gracelessly along the road at approx 20 mph (complete guess). An interesting smear of red plastic now marks the spot.The bike was completely ridable afterwards.

All the damage is cosmetic. There was already some minor damage to the bike from the door opening incident which has yet to be fixed. However that was to the side of the seat mainly. This time the front right faring is badly cracked and scraped, along with it's attatched indicator. The sill(?) below the footrest portion is badly damaged, the front beak has a cosmetic scrape, the dashboard has a cosmetic scrape, the side impact aluminium section is scraped, the mirror housing is badly scraped/worn through (mirror still works fine and is uncracked) and the exhaust protector is scraped. Also the front right small glove box thing and the air flow grill on that side both popped out, but happily also popped straight back in. The side bumper was already gone as it had been smashed by my previous rta as above.

My injuries were;    

1. a trashed right sleeve of my leather jacket

2. A fairly nasty graze to my right knee with 2 smallish areas of fairly deep skin loss plus 1 area of full thickness loss approx 1 cm by 3 cm (which took a long time to heal up) plus associated bruising.

Sadly I don't think I had much chance to keep myself fully away from the road. The impact really threw me at the tarmac. Perhaps if I'd concentrated on tucking in and not trying to recover it would have been different, but I doubt it. My strong feeling is that riding without protective clothing (my lower half) results in less injuries than on an ordinary 2 wheeler but still quite unpleasant ones, while riding with protective gear (my upper half) means you'll be pretty much unscathed. Also my right leg ended up under the vehicle during the slide and I reckon my injuries are very minor compared with the norm for such a situation. That frame really works.

My helmet didn't touch the ground and was completely unmarked. As far as I could tell it took no part in proceedings.

Gwyn Harris

14/4/04 addendum. I now think that if I'd already developed the habit of keeping my feet forward in the footwells that my leg injuries would have been reduced. I also think that tucking in when falling is a major boon with this beasty.

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Topic Minor accidents, very low speed, some with other bikes By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 18:06
Originally posted by nonodename on 17/01/05

Hey C1owners

Been reading all the accident reports - here's a little tale for you:

End of October I was coming back from City Airport down Clapham High Street on my 200. I stopped in traffic, just got my foot down and bang! Whacked straight in the back by another scooter. Knocked over on to my left hand side - with my ankle trapped by the stand.

Bunch of passers-by pick me up and get me upright amid much swearing from me. Pretty extensive panel damage to the rear and near  sides and cuts and nasty bruising on my ankle. Turns out the Piaggio had been rear ended by a car that forgot to stop! The stand did a good job of cutting into my ankle - still aches a bit now.

Luckily, the car driver admitted all responsibility.

Lessons learnt:
*) Keep my foot a bit further back next time
*) Wear my boots
*) 4th dimension in Shepperton did a fantastic repair job

Cheers

Dan

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Topic Minor accidents, very low speed, some with other bikes By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 18:05
Originally posted by Dragon on 3/7/04

Last night on my way to Mayfair London I was stopped at a set of traffic lights in the city. All the sudden I was hit from behind and I thought a car had hit me. When I turned around to look much to my amazement it was not a car but a Vespa Scooter. Well I then put my flashers on and got off my bike to see how much damage was to my bike. The other rider was a Nigerian with a Nigerian Drivers Licence but not a motorcycle licence. He then tried to blame me for the accident which I thought was hysterical since I was parked behind another car waiting for the traffic light to change. Anyhow his Vespa Scooter had rammed me and had sustained major damage to his wheel and front and side fairing. I then looked at my rear of my C1 Executive expecting to find some major damage, to my amazement there was NONE other than the licence plate fastener for my plate was missing and the left rear turn light was bent (which snapped back in place). This was all the damage other than my top box had a paint scratch.

Well all I can say is BMW 1 - VESPA 0. I f I had been on any other scooter I think there would have been some major damage.  Needless to say the owner of the Vespa decided he did not want to have the police involved and was last seen pushing his scooter down the street. Myself I did a saftey check of my C1 and then went on my way to Mayfair. Later on that night I was reflecting that I was lucky that I was in my C1.

Also I am interested to know with the London group about setting up once a week or month a meeting at an area in Central London for coffee and get together. If anyone is interested please let me know and will try to set somthing up in Mayfair or the City.

Regards,

The Dragon

P.S.

UPDATE

Racism is not a comment here due to I reported what what the other person was carrying for a licence. This other person was using another country licence and should have a British Licence with a CBT and Motorcycle Endorsement or there version of such. As everyone knows each country has different procedures and laws. A good example of this has been Peter's case concerning the helmet laws. I for one agree that we do not need helmets but unfortunately as things stand now we have to wear them until we can get this changed.

The problem with the other driver was that he was not observing the proper traffic rules (Speeding and not Observing) and was driving a scooter over 125cc. Also the reason I did not pursue it was because it was a judgement call and in the City of London (City Police are Somtimes a P**N) and now his scooter is now inoperable. As far a my C1 Executive I will be having it serviced and completely inspected this week at Batersea BMW in London. I am just happy that I was in a C1 when this happened and that because of the impact that I recieved the C1 did what it was designed for. Any other scooter including a Vespa would have been damaged due to the little protection they have.

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Topic Minor accidents, very low speed, some with other bikes By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 18:03
Posted by James S

Got knocked down today by some [insert swearword here] of a courier.  Everything appeared to work as it should.  I stayed inside the bike and it just sort of toppled; remembered to keep my feet in and not get them crushed underneath and I climbed out with nothing more than a slightly grazed elbow.

Exact details are that I was stopping at some traffic lights that were about to go red - could have gone for it but wasn't in a hurry so didn't want to risk it.  The courier was coming through traffic behind me and decided to go for the lights then saw me slowing down and didn't have the space to dodge/stop.  He ended up hitting my wheel (I think) just before I got my feet down to support the bike.  The bike then toppled over onto its left and the courier raced off through the red light never to be seen again.  He didn't hit very hard and so there won't be any structural damage ... if I had my feet supporting the bike it wouldn't have gone over at all.  Didn't get his number or company so nothing I can do about it now ... b**tard!  Accident happened at around 18:10 on Mile End road going out of London.

Annoying thing is that the bike is only 3 weeks old and now needs to have the black "shoulder" and the panel behind it replaced - the nice passer-by and concerned motorist who came out to see if I was OK accidentally broke it when they were keeping the bike upright while I checked myself for damage ... will have to remember to put it on the stand before checking myself if it happens again.

Oh, and my helmet didn't touch the ground at all so there would be no way that my head would do so!

Any idea how much this will cost for BMW to do ... and any suggestions of anywhere cheaper/quicker?
--
James FF125 Silver/Red - yellow seat

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Topic C1 hitting rear of vehicle at speed By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 17:53
Originally posted by C1ngdom on 15.01.05

Oh dear I've bent my bike.
Travelling home on the A3 (dual carriageway) last night I was travelling in the outside lane when three lanes filter down to two. There was a car on the inside of me that was in my blind spot. I did a "lifesaver" to check he was far enough behind and moved into the second lane in front of him. I stuck out my hand to thank him for letting me in. So far, so good. I then look ahead into the distance to see brake lights and as I bring my vision to the cars immediately in front OH S H 1 T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They have slowed right down. There was absolutely no way I was going to stop in time so I just grabbed two fistfuls of ABS and waited for the inevitable.
It happened. I don't know what speed the impact was but I didn't have a lot of time to think about it. Luckily my instincts were to keep hold of the handlebars, bury my feet into the foot wells and stay upright. After the initial impact I was thrown on my side where I skidded into the kerb of the central reservation.
I then just "sat" there, still strapped in with the bike on its side. It took me a little time to undo the seat belts but once they were undone I simply stood up!!!! Bloody Hell, not only am I still alive but I am also totally unscathed. We stand the biker up and pusit it to the side of the road. Damage doesn't look too bad.
The cars in front, and behind stopped. They were amazed to find out that I was totally unharmed.
No part of me, not even elbows, knees or helmet touched the ground.
Amongst those that stopped was an ex-motorcyclist, a scooter rider and a policeman. As no-one was hurt we exchanged details and then the amazing bit................
I started up the bike and rode it home.
I can vouch that the crash protection really is as good as BMW failed to tell everyone.
Lucky I took advice from the forum and, just before Christmas, bought myself a spare.

take car out there
Dom

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Topic Very high speed accident with sudden deceleration By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 17:46
2 posts originally posted by jamesbouldin on 10.9.04

I am writing on behalf of my 19 year old son who had a serious accident on his beloved C1 2 weeks ago. Riding home late from work he mistook a lay-by for the slip road and hit the verge and subsequently a metal roadside box. A couple of somersaults later and he was found unconscious still strapped into the bike. He suffered a fractured arm and ankle (didn't tuck in obviously) on the left side but thankfully is fine and everything he broke can be fixed. The bike saved his life. The fireman said they had never cut anyone out of a motorbike - they are rare in Suffolk. The bike is a write off, the roof was cut away but wasn't fully comp because of the high cost (more than the bike was worth). We are new to this and my son is desperate to have another but we don't know if we can salvage what we have and fix it up with parts or should we sell what we have and buy another. Can anyone help or advise.
James's dad

Yes he was wearing a lid. The impact was a glancing blow to the left hand side which caused the bike to somersault and land on its roof then topple onto its left side. The estimated impact speed was 60MPH, he has no neck injury but a dislocated shoulder along with the various broken limbs . We believe that it was either the somersaulting  impact or pain which caused him to become unconscious & it was the roof which was cut off, which bolts onto the main frame. main bike frame appears OK - but needs to be checked out.

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Topic Minor accidents, very low speed, some with other bikes By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 17:43
Originaly posted by Mad Accountant on 13.9.04

Greenrickoshea went over in his C1: today, at low speed and turning right at a junction. Diesel is the prime suspect but who knows?

He is OK (ish) grazed elbow and knee, his foot was trapped and only a steel toe cap prevented a serious foot injury. The bike did worse, the usual tit/mirror/three panel scenario.

Hope you feel better soon Michael.

Regards

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Topic Minor accidents, very low speed, some with other bikes By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 17:42
Posted by Terrien

It was on Thursday evening, ready to go back home from my job. I made -or should I say I wanted to make- a kind of U turn while in the parking lot. Unfortunately I did not put enough power and I felt on the left side (needless to say at a "ridiculous" speed). I can confirm my head as been well protected (no helmet here) but not my left side which hit the left handle (the passenger's one). My left foot was trapped under the C1. Hopefully I got robust shoes and I succeeded in removing my foot from my shoe. I came back home but once there I had to see a doctor:it seems one rib may have been hurt. The C1 seems ok:only the left bumper has small evidences of the fall

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Topic Steering failure due to wheel bearing collapse By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 17:34
The following is a mix of two posts by Mad Accountant on 10.9.04 and 13.9.04

'Adrian Meredith this morning suffered some sort of catastrophic failure of the steering of his C1:

He is OK.

It was a collapsed wheel bearing. I'm surprised that was not immediately obvious to Adrian, I will speak with him later and get more background.'

This is now a well recognised problem and most people who service C1s whether paid or unpaid give close attention to the front wheel bearings as the early signs (essentially side to side play in the front wheel) are easy to spot and allow the fault to be picked up before anything like this can occur.
Topic Flat tyre By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 17:21
Originally posted by Beamish on 27/5/04

I was travelling down to see Allan yesterday who was going to kindly remove my back wheel so I could have a new back tyre fitted. I was hitting 70 MPH when all of a sudden the C1 started slowing down. It seemed like I was climbing a very steep hill, then the back of the C1 started snaking left to right at about 50 MPH which made me decide it was time to pull up and see what was wrong. To my horror, I found the back tyre to be completely flat. I pumped up the back tyre, and found it to be futile as it would go completely flat after 20 seconds or so.  The Ultraseal managed to come out of everywhere except the hole where the puncture was. I rang Allan, who (bless his socks) kindly made his way over from Brum with a few screws, and after a couple of attempts as well as a partial refill with more ultraseal, I decided to call out BMW rescue, who put me on the back of a trailer and took me home. The hole was not that large, and I was surprised when the ultraseal failed to do its job. I will be writing to the manufacturers to complain. Just to add one more thing, the back tyre did have a very slow puncture prior to the trip to Brum yesterday and the Ultraseal did plug it for about 10 miles or so.

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Topic Accidents involving reported neck injuries By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 17:20
Spain 10.1.04

Just wanted to say to the forum chaps that my C1 saved me from serious injury last week, and I am still tremblingly happy to be alive. I had planned to ride from Bilbao where the ferry stops, east and south about 500 miles to a house in the south of france where I planned to spend the summer. I had hoped to report how much fun C1 touring is, and send a
picture of me with it in some outlandish place. However, on the very first day going along the lovely twisty coast road towards a lunch in one of the little fishing towns, I crested a rise to find a car skidding sideways towards me completely filling my lane. Only time to think "oy, that's not fair" before impact, and to remember to try and keep arms and legs inside as I got tossed around. Net result is only a tiny hairline fracture on one leg and very bruised wrists and hands. Compared to how it could have been I am practically unscathed. 36 hours in a spanish hospital and then taken home on a stretcher by the insurance company, now I'm just flat on my back until the hands recover enough for crutches, but basically ok. The nurse who accompanied me home couldn't quite believe how little damaged I was. Was wearing a helmet, mainly because I couldn't squeeze it into my box anywhere. Bruising and strain on neck but no serious damage. I just hope they don't write my bike off though I fear they will. I'm never going back to normal bikes now. One of the guys on the ferry said he'd heard you had had your high court hearing and lost just before we sailed - if that's true I'm incredibly sorry, for you and all of us. Tired hands now. Do let the forum know if you've got the time and inclination. All the best, Sophie
Topic Collision with small immovable object By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 17:19
Originally posted by Richard G on 9/2/04

Was riding (125cc C1 exec) home a few weeks ago when a pedestrian stepped out in front of me. I swerved to avoid him and hit the raised 'central reservation' in the middle of the road ... tantamount to driving head-on into a small (circa 2 feet 6 inches) wall. Bike is a write-off (damage to forks, steering, front wheel, brake disc, etc) but I was completely unharmed - not even small aches and pains. I know it would have been a completely different story had I have been on a normal scooter.

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Topic Ice By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:51
Posted by ChrisG on 21.1.04

Thursday morning scraped the ice off the windscreen checked the road and pavements, looked ok so set off to the station. Arrived at the station, coasting in at around 10 mph and suddenly found myself horizontal sliding down the road. The amazing thing was that there was no real transition from up to down, I didn't even have time to get scared! Right leg ended up at the kind of angle that you just know it was never designed to be, and felt completely numb. 2 very kind people ventured out across what turned out to be a small ice rink to help and got me out of the bike. Between the 3 of us we got poor old C1 upright and parked. Lost 1 of the black cones (same one I knocked off 3 weeks ago, it's a worried black cone), scraped some fairing, other than that all intact. Don't feel too stupid as I watched two more people fall off their scooters, no more injuries thank goodness. I've had a knee resembling a rugby ball for a few days and gulped alot of asprin but am fine really. In future if there's ice on that windscreen, Williams is staying on the drive.

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Topic Ice By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:50
Posted by jumby

I was driving along a straight(ish) road in Fulham just after 8am on Saturday (a week ago) at about 25-30 miles/hour. I think I accelerated just as I drove over some black ice (the irony is that the gritting lorry passed about 10 mins later) and lost the backend of the scooter.  I tried to steer in the direction of the skid but unfortunately it was all in vain.  I skidded into the corner of a pavement and spun a little hurting my back though I only have a couple minor cuts on my ankle and my knee.  So thank goodness for the roll cage and belts.  I would advise anyone (in a similar predicament) to just allow the scooter to fall and skid on the ground as I think my attempt to save myself from falling just brought me towards the pavement and so more damage was done to me and the scooter (definitely do not put your feet out). In fact better still steer clear of the scooter on a frosty morning.

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Topic ABS credited with accident prevention (and our only poem) By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:49
Posted by Neural9 on 29.10.03

ABS Saved My Life Today

Rush hour, in the fray,
Dark night, traffic delay,
Young lad, on his way,
Didn't look, didnt stay.

Hasty move, pulled away,
Sideways drift, wrong lane,
Brakes on hard, felt the spay,
Siezed body, face grey.

Sliding now, tyre like sleigh,
Hands on tight, start to pray,
Brace self, feel the sway,
ABS surprise, kept up straight.

Chase after kid, fists in haste,
Give what for, in dismay,
Promise be careful, rules obey!
Thank you BMW, at the end of the day,
ABS Saved My Life Today.

---
Christ that was scary.  Wet roads, very dark, young lad rushing in a hothatch flies into the side of me to escape traffic.  Touched the brakes and the front went from under me.  No way could I have kept my Hornet up in those conditions.  Then the ABS kicked in and gave me a chance to control it.  Thank God for clever stuff.

Rob

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Topic ABS credited with accident prevention (and our only poem) By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:49
Posted by in_not_on 13/10/03

Today travelling along the south circular a woman was trying to cross through congested traffic, as I approached her I could clearly see that she was aware of her surroundings and was observing both directions of traffic when she suddenly decided to make a dash for it, straight in front of me, Whack.... she flew about six feet and landed against another car. Oh shit. The woman looked at me in complete innocence and lay there for about 20 secs and then she composed herself and stood to her feet clutching here ribs and looking like she was in a lot of pain. The woman was very apologetic and knew that she hadn't looked. A traffic warden had seen the incident and offered to call an ambulance but after trying for about 10mins still hadn't called one the woman then insisted that she was fine and that she would go to the doctors. I gave her my details and went on my way thinking to myself how lucky we both were.   
The damage to the bike was busted mirror, front panel is cracked and the headlight is out of alignment. And that was the damage caused solely by her, as the bike didn't fall over probably due to the ABS.

RED C1. 12350miles 3FPNs and countless tugs
lidless until it gets cold (Its cold)

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Topic C1 hit from rear By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:47
Posted by Benbrangwyn on 1.10.03

Just in front of the Natural History Museum this morning, got hit from behind by a big Jag. Not sure what speed he was doing relative to mine, but it felt like a bloody hard whack.

My damage:
rear mudguard
light cluster
lugs attaching mudguard/plate ripped of rear plastic moulding

His damage:
number plate destroyed
grille bent
bumper bent

I was actually surprised at the relative levels of damage. This bike is a darn sturdy machine!

I was wearing my snoboarding helmet, so suffered no whiplash. If I'd been wearing my Caberg, I think I'd be in a lot of pain right now. I was badly shook up though, needed quite a lot of time to get back into a suitable frame of mind to complete the rest of my journey.

I called the police out who took statements. Very efficient and friendly. By the time I eventually left the scene, the policeman was still trying to get his little Fiesta to start!

Bike needs to go in for its service, so I'll get it repaired then.

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:45
Posted by Adrian Meredith.

Well it finally happened this last Saturday morning - after 36 years of motorcycling - Mr Idiot with his fat beTshirted wife in his L reg Fiesta had a brain cell fire in in his little brain which made him instantly recognise that he was fed up of sitting in a queue of staionery traffic and in that same instant pop his clutch and twirl his steering wheel and pull out of the queue directly into the path of yours truly who was riding up the outside of the said queue.

Well we all know that this is a potentially hazardous thing to do - and so I was travelling at a steady rate with my hands covering the brakes - I braked and was presented with the sight of his absolutely terrifed face as he saw me appear at his side window as his car scraped across the front of my bike to the accompaniment of a terrific din! I stayed upright.

When I saw the state of his car - large indentations down both doors I was not keen to look at the state of my bike. Well lo and behold! - apart from the grid thingy popping out, the only apparent damage was some slight looking stress marks on the "shoulder" of the front bodywork.

My trusty C1 had literally shrugged off a attack by a Fiesta and come out the better off. If I had been on an ordinary bike I expect the first point of contact would either have been my front wheel or handle bar either of which receiving that amount of energy would surely have thrown me off.

I was ok, but later discovered I had got a (little and now painless) knock to my knee. But I wish I could have filmed the guy. He was ashen and shaking and totally apologetic - he actually said "it wasn't that I didin't see you I just did not look"!!!

Anyway - all's well that ends well (for me) - inspected bike to see there was no hidden damage and rode very steady for a bit to check handling etc. All fine. I then proceeded for my first trip on a motorway and was very pleasantly pleased with its performance/behaviour on such a road - cruising at 60mph even up the hills with occasional overtaking at up to 70+. It seemed happy at 60 and I like to have a bit of power in reserve.

What did I learn from this: the value of being prepared for potential enemy action and the value of the safe design of my C1.

By the way I shall not be getting the marks on the bodywork polished out - the battle scars look becoming!
--
Adrian Meredith 1951 - C1 200 Silver Executive 2001. Ripon. North Yorkshire.

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:45
Posted by franck74neortic

OK, I understand it is important to share and collect stories of  what happened to some of us on the C1.
Basically, I was riding along the inner lane of the A244 in Feltham when a Driver standing still on the outer lane decided abrubtly to pull out without looking in his mirror. I went straight into his passenger door and then overcompensated and fell on my right hand side. Nothing really spectacular but sadly the claim is still going on as the other party alleges I was riding on the cycling lane. Things should end up on my favour very soon though!
It's then that I decided not to wear a crash helmet anymore as I understood immediately that it simply could have been leathal if I had crashed at a higher speed.

Bonne route.

Franck

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Topic The comedy accidents By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:43
Posted by skypilot

First my sympathies to the previous entry.

I find the C1 rather top heavy.  I have twice fallen at a standstill.  Once in the flowerbed where I work - rather flushed I was as others came rushing to help. The other time whilse closing a gate. 
Is it me - or are these bikes rather clumsy?

Chow

David

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Topic The comedy accidents By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:43
Posted by Sooty

After almost 30 years on two wheels, including a brief spell on the track, I thought I had experienced most forms of accident: highsides, lowsides, lost front ends etc. However, today I had my most embarrassing accident ever. As I do on most days, I popped out during the lunchbreak to get my sarnies from the local Sainsburys. I followed a Mercedes Vito van into the car park and we both headed for two adjacent spots. The Vito came to a halt and I duly pulled up in the next parking space. As the C1 came to a halt I nonchalontly placed my foot down (I leave the clever balancing stuff to Martin Lampkin). My leg immediately shot out at right angles to the C1, at which point it toppled unceremoniously. It would have fallen over completely had the roof not come to rest against the side of the newly parked van.
Picture the scene: The driver has just parked his van and is getting out. Suddenly he hears a loud bang on the nearside of his vehicle. Believing that someone has driven into him, he flies round the van, only to see a C1 at a 45 degree angle leant against the side of it. Inside this is one VERY embarrassed looking berk wishing the ground would swallow him and the offending C1 up.
The cause?
After helping me back to a vertical position, the van driver all but collapsed laughing. An earlier customer had obviously got a bit peckish and had a banana. Before leaving the car park they discarded the skin on the ground. Unfortunately I must have placed my foot on this as I parked. What made the situation even worse was two of my work colleagues witnessed the whole thing. My C1 has now been christened "The Prattmobile" - so what does that make me?

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Topic Fatal UK accident By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:41
This occurred in London.

The C1 rider was struck when a car he was overtaking turned right.

He was not wearing his belts and the helmet he wore was undone.
Topic Minor accidents, very low speed, some with other bikes By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:38
Posted by Richard

I'm posting this under the correct topic rather than General Chat, where I put it yesterday. I was just moving off in a long line of traffic at a busy set of lights on the A40 yesterday when a car behind me, driven very aggressively, clipped my right hand protection pad (the bit that sticks out) with his wing mirror. This unsettled the bike and I instinctively braked and tried to right it at the same time. The bike was impossible to correct and fell to the left at almost zero speed. Effectively I was lying in the road surrounded by by bike and still strapped in. I couldn't free myself since the harness release catch did not free me of both belts.

I had not put my arms out to stop my fall, nor did my head hit anything-I was perfectly safe and cocooned, but unable to get out until some kindly soul came and helped me right the bike after I had managed to get the harness undone.

Damage to the bike is: x1 wingmirror and x2 protection pads and a small paint chip.

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Not as scary as the day before, take a look at, I was one of the passengers!: www.meridiantv.com/artman/publish/article_1724.shtml
Topic Low speed collision with bus By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:36
Posted by Andrei

just found this chat and very happy to have such a big company. I live in St.Petersburg, Russia. Here was sold only 3 C1 last year and two more this winter, I bought C1 200 last spring and was knocked down by big bus, who lost control on icy road. Some fotos are here
http://www.motorcycle.spb.ru/public/i_w013.html
C1 showed his ability to protect the rider-I had no any scrath on me, though was sliding about 10 m by the side till the side stone of the road.
After that C1 was repaired (only two plastic detailes left old) and gave me fun till late october when we have snow on the streets.
Andrei.

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Topic Minor accidents, very low speed, some with other bikes By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:35
Posted by nigel

I was travelling slowly out of a carpark and got into a right hand wobble (have  only ridden 60 klms). The steering locked to the right full lock and I put my right foot out to stop from tipping over, but not far enough out. The heat shield on the silencer stuck in the heel of my boot and as I was still moving  my foot got pulled under the bike and it went over trapping my foot. In spite of releasing the seat belts with the emergancy release I had too wriggle around to free them. With my foot jammed under the bike I could not move or get my foot out. Fortunateley a number of people came immediately to my assistance and lifted the bike upright with me still sitting in it. The right hand mirror flew apart but none of the parts broke. The front fairing got paint work damage.
I did a fair amount of slow speed practice in a large empty carpark when I first got my bike and  got my foot momentary caught in the heat shield a number of times but did not really think much of it. Now I foot my feet out as far as I possibly can because I found with the assistance of a friend that if the bike goes more than 10 degrees it is just about impossible to hold because the seat belts stop you from shifting your weight in the opposite direction in order counteract.

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Topic Driver pulling out into passing C1 By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:34
Posted by Bastongc1

I was unfortunately involved in an accident last night

Filtering past a long line of stationary traffic at about 10/15mph, a Nissan Micra decided to pull out to its right without warning or indication. I had reached the point of no return and with a very wet and slippery road - crash!

Damage to me - none at all, I did not even fall off

Damage to the bike - all to the nearside obviously. Bumper attachment broken, rear roll cage split (nearside only - Simon, where you had put one of the high level indicators), scratches and lacerations to the front beak and minor dents and dinks. I have used wrapping tape to hold a few things together. The bike still runs and is very useable but does look very sorry.

Damage to car - totally lost its rear near side window (must be due to the height of the C1), dents and lacerations from back to front, broken wing mirror.

I am cross with the whole thing but relieved I was not physically hurt at all.

So, it's not just a matter of careful filtering but also speed. Any faster - I would definitely have fallen on to my right and I wouldn't want to test the C1's safety cage.

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Topic Minor accidents, very low speed, some with other bikes By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:32
Posted by Claire Armstrong.

Hi

Well I had the silliest accident. New gravel driveway - superb for all the cars - but when I tried (with some concern) to put the C1 back into the garage, oooops.
I did a left turn in front of the garage with the aim to then do the reverse into the garage (have to get off for this), had my feet on the ground but the left foot (taking the balanced weight) just totally slid on the gravel (my short body 5'2" mean that my little legs only just get a firm footing when things are fully flat !) and although I tried in vain to stop it from falling it had decided to have a rest, so down we went with a thud. The new gravel at least was very large cushion and the only damage was to the black end crash absorber (did it's job) and a small scratch on the left outer casing of the mirror.
I had the straps on and NO crash helmet (all private ground) and the only aches and pains are to muscles in my legs, arms and back, from trying to stop the fall (especially as my partners BMW car was about 5 inches away!!!) we missed! Apart from a few shakey moments I am fine - as we might expect ! 

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Topic Accidents involving reported neck injuries By Accident Admin Date 24-01-2007 16:31
This was from November 2001 and first posted on the Yahoo site:

Posted by Gwyn Harris

I had a low speed accident. I was filtering through traffic at 5-10 mph when someone opened a door into me (full responsibility eventually admitted by them, though not at the scene). The first thing I knew about it was that I was leaning against the side of a stationary vehicle thinking "what was that bang?". I was, of course, completely unharmed apart from a minor bit of neckache, probably caused by my helmet which took no part in proceedings. I was impressed at how well the five point harness worked and the fact that I was unscathed. If I'd been on a pushbike I'd have been fairly badly bruised and scraped.

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